The Rogue Tomato > 12-11-2018, 02:52 AM
(12-09-2018, 06:24 PM)praise_yeshua Wrote: Obviously you're relying on what other's have said to make such a claim. Do you really know the Scriptures enough to repeat what they say with confidence?
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Will you now reconsider? Don't trust what others have told you.
(12-09-2018, 06:24 PM)praise_yeshua Wrote: I didn't see the name of Jesus mentioned anywhere in the evidence given. The Gospel is preached "In His Name".
(12-09-2018, 06:24 PM)praise_yeshua Wrote: I see no reason to believe you actually believe the last sentence. Do you believe pardon is proclained unto all under the heaven?
praise_yeshua > 12-11-2018, 03:35 PM
(12-11-2018, 02:52 AM)The Rogue Tomato Wrote: You have a habit of doing that. "You're just following Calvin. You're just relying on what others have said about this or that."
No, it's the Bible. You can cherry pick a verse that calls Jesus the elect, because Jesus IS elect of God. But so are His chosen people called "elect".
Quote:Matthew 24:31 "And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."
Romans 11:7 "What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened"
1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia" -- is Jesus himself exiles scattered throughout various provinces, or are we talking about a chosen people?
Even Angels can be "elect" -- certain chosen Angels.
1 Tim 5:21 "I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism."
Quote:You take the verse "no other name" literally? So which name do you need to know? Jesus? Yeshua? Joshua? Emmanuel? No one can be saved outside Jesus, but that doesn't mean you need to know his name.
Quote:Yes. And I believe it will be proclaimed again throughout the world by an angel in the end times, just as it says in Revelation:
Revelation 14:6 "Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people."
This event in revelation comes just before the end, just as Jesus said when describing the end times:
Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
Quote:Jesus wasn't talking about missionaries. He was talking about the angel. The words are almost identical. "whole world as a testimony to nations" == "to every nation, tribe, language and people".